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I still can't reproduce this crash. All my tests are passing.

Happy to rule out some VST3 weirdness.

It seems like all the Mac crashes are on High Sierra, so I'm going to try installing that.

Meanwhile 1.8.3 is still available:
Mac: http://madronalabs.com/media/aalto/Aalto1.8.3.pkg
Win: http://madronalabs.com/media/aalto/AaltoInstaller1.8.3.exe

Since they are newer you will have to delete your 1.8.4 plugins manually first, then install 1.8.3.

Also it looks like there's no released version of Live that supports VST3. If you are trying to use a Live 10.1 beta please let me know. I can't support beta versions of hosts, but I'll be willing to try running it to track down any issues.

All the updates are available from the main product pages as usual.

I'm trying in Windows 10 as well as Mac OS and have experienced no crashes. Sorry for the difficulty. I have no idea what is going on but I'll hopefully find out soon with your help.

When you report an issue, please please send also all the version numbers of your OS and host! Not just the names like "10 Suite" or "High Sierra" but the numbers e.g. "Live 10.0.6" and "Mac OS version 10.13.1".

If you got a crash please send Ableton or MacOS crash logs to: support@madronalabs.com

I do not make a VST3 version of either Aalto or Kaivo. If you are seeing that a VST is present, where do you see this information?

If you have Live 10 but less than 10.0.6, please upgrade to the latest version of Live because there are known issues with plugins in 10.0.3, -4.

It's working here for me in Bidule, Windows 10 x64.

I would make sure you don't have any additional copies of Aalto around. I'm not sure yet but it's possible the new Aalto may be causing a crash in this situation where the old one handled it OK.

Also please update to the latest Bidule (0.9761) if you can, so we rule out a difference there—I tried to make Bidule scan a duplicate Aalto VST but it is smart and won't allow it, so I can't duplicate this problem yet.

I've deployed the update to the main product pages now.

I've now deployed the release to the main product pages.

There have been some crashes that revealed themselves in more recent versions of Ableton Live and it sounds like you are experiencing that. Sorry for the frustration.

I'm just about ready to release an upgrade to both plugins. Currently squashing some final issues with Kaivo. Aalto should be fixed. You can try the Aalto installer:
http://madronalabs.com/media/aalto/Aalto1.8.4.pkg (Mac)
http://madronalabs.com/media/aalto/AaltoInstaller1.8.4.exe (Win)

You are not hearing the triggers because you have 'x vel' on ENV1 turned on. This multiplies the output of the envelope by the MIDI note velocity. Maybe not intuitively, it also applies when the trigger is coming from the sequencer! So without any MIDI input you won't get audible envelopes.

I'm working on the Windows update and will release ASAP.

Yes it will. Sorry the beta is only on Mac this time because that's where I'm developing. thanks for your patience.

Yes it will. Sorry the beta is only on Mac this time because that's where I'm developing. thanks for your patience.

Great Journey, thanks for sharing! I like the feel of this stuff many people would do with sequencers but played live.

I don't think putting videos here is possible and I guess that's a feature.

Checked out AE modular a bit and that looks like a fun project.

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Full support! I look forward to its development.

A bump so the beta is more visible. Kaivo and Aalto releases coming soon.

Good news! I'll get the full release out including a Windows version ASAP.

I think I have fixed this. A beta for Mac OS is available at http://madronalabs.com/media/kaivo/Kaivo1.8.4b2.pkg .

Yup, I've been thinking the same thing. Not only did computers get faster, I did a lot of optimization since little Aalto 1.0 came out. So 8 voices is no problem. I feel like that's the sweet spot because the scope-dials get very cluttered with more indicators in them six or so (one per voice).

In any case more voices is a definite plan for Aalto 2 along with a big list of other improvements I have in mind. On the inevitable question of timing I'll only say "hopefully later this year."

I know Roger Linn has done some demos with it, which I was happy to see. So there must be others...

I'm working on it.

Thanks for the thoughts. Right now it's just me doing software and support. Hopefully adding iOS stuff will help me get to the point where I can take on some help on the support end.

I got the identical request via email today... AM in the air? I'll definitely explore this for the next major Aalto update.

As soon as I have a fix to try I'll post a beta here!

Pitch bend is really rolled in with key pitch right now in the instrument so there is no way to access the pitch bend amount without the note's pitch added. I can see where what you're proposing would be useful.

In the meantime could use just use a different controller and assign that controller number to the mod output?

Yeah I agree there needs to be more control here. My favorite example is when tweaking the filter to track the pitch, but also an envelope. There's no way to really get the control you might want over both.

I'm looking at ways to allow this kind of flexibility in the next major revision.

Thanks for the feedback and again, sorry we lost your original comment @easel.

hi @easel that's exactly right. The first voice starts at 0 so you get 0, 1, 2, 3. Adding this to the sequence offset can produce a number of different sequences given the right scaling. That's what the multi seq patch aims to demonstrate.

I remember I scanned the posts and someone had two suggestions: one about more or virtual attenuverters, and I can't remember the other...

Thanks for that Simon. I'm on the trail of the issue now. More soon.

And eventually the 64 bit version does it too. This might take a little while to track down because it takes so long to reproduce, but I'll figure it out.

News flash: I finally got the degradation using the 32-bit version. It took a half hour or so running the default patch. The granulator waveform did not seem to matter—I have other clues. I'm going to leave the 64-bit version running overnight and see what happens.

It makes perfect sense that I would never have run into the problem if it's 32-bit only, because I only ever run a 32 bit version long enough to do some compatibility tests.

Note that the issue we are currently discussing in this thread is probably different from what @dawbakhos posted originally! Because this granulator issue is a gradual degradation and not sudden at all.

Simon, I have your "Sine Test" patch running with your source waveform, with an audio buffer size of 512. (Audio buffer size is the next thing I was going to ask, good call) I have it running for an hour now with no problems yet. Which is a bit frustrating—I'd love to fix this. I'll keep trying different things.

I listened to the recording of the patch gradually degrading that you posted. Is this cut and pasted from worse degradation that took place over time and if so, how long? If you don't play any notes but just turn the gate up to hear the oscillator does the granulator output still degrade?

Can you get the problem to occur with the Kaivo default patch and the built-in sine wave?

Also, Simon, what host version and OS version are you using? People are seeing issues on Mac OS so I've been testing there but if I still can't reproduce it I'll have to try to duplicate your setup as much as possible.

Finally, I notice you are wrapping playback around the end of the sample in the patch you sent above. If you move the horizontal position in the granulator sample to the middle does anything change? Just a longshot but if true, might help me track it down if it's wrap-related.

@tubular
There's no quick way to turn sound off and on again. If you turn the number of voices down to 1 it will turn off all voices but the first one. Maybe I should make this dial go to 0 in the future. Very sorry your new synth is acting badly but I'll fix it soon here... as soon as I can reproduce it. What Live version are you running exactly? What audio buffer size are you using? Are you able to try the 64 bit version?