ForumsSoftware ← Voices - still don't get it

Hi Everyone,
After reading the other post below on voices, I still am not seeing the different copies of Aalto running, per voice. In other words, If I make changes to "voice 1" and then press a key to enact "voice 2", when I change some parameters in "voice 2" it changes all parameters back. In other words, it always behaves like one voice. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance. Tom.
----- to put it even another way, is there a patch which reflects obvious differences per voice? 'cause I don't see anything changing on the interface. Some things sound different from voice to voice but there are no parameters updated per voice.

hi tombitondo,
Aalto's voices don't have seperate controls per voice, as such; they're all controlled by the same single envs, lfo etc, but with aalto it's what you can control with the voices, not what you can do to them. if that makes sense? hehe.. some examples:

if you have 4 voices on, and you patch 'voices' to relative pitch inlet, you'll now hear 4 notes played, each an octave apart, rather than 4 notes of the same pitch (slightly detuned).

if you patch 'voices' to the lfo inlet and the lfo outlet to main level, you'll hear 4 different speeds of lfo simultaneously.

i just made a simple patch to try to show the voices in action.
try pasting this into Aalto:

<Aalto pluginVersion="66054" presetName="4voice-env2" scaleName="12-equal" scaleDir="" key_voices="4" key_unison="1" key_glide="0.0100000007" seq_rate="0" env1_decay="20" env1_sustain="0" env1_release="4.37000275" env2_repeat="1.02968752" env2_release="0.490000099" env2_xenv1="2" osc_ratio="10" osc_timbre="0.159999996" osc_pitch="110.000015" osc_waveshape="-0.899999976" osc_noise_p="0.269999981" osc_carrier_out="0.269999981" osc_mod_out="0.209999993" gate_mode="1" gate_decay="0" delay_freq="109.999977" filter_cutoff="4282.99756" filter_q="1" output_pan="-0.5" output_pan_p="0.279999971" patcher_input_1="000000000000100000000010000" patcher_input_3="000000110000100000000010001" patcher_input_12="000000000000000100000010000"/>

strat with one voice, then 2, then 3 etc to hear whats happening. hope this shines some light on it!

People helping people... I like to see this! Thanks garf.

I want to add that Aalto is a lot like most any keyboard polysynth, really. There is one front panel with settings that control all the voices. The settings are always the same for each voice, just like your Jupiter 6 or whatever, until the "voice" signal is used in the patcher.

I think it's the patching, or the ability to view each voice in the UI, that makes this seem more complicated than it really is.

Ok, will investigate when I get home tonight; in the meantime, is there a list or chart describing all of the things that can be controlled via the "voices" output? So far you mentioned pitch, and lfo rates. Any other parameters? It'd help if I knew what to expect (or rather, what the possibilities are!) Thanks in advance for all of your great suggestions, will investigate. As I said, a chart on the different routings/etc. For the "voicing" output would be helpful.
Tom Bitondo

Any input in the patcher can be controlled by the voices output. The patcher lets you connect any output to any input.

Thanks guys, it's starting to make sense. Garf, the patch you sent was very very helpful! Ditto for your info, Randy. Just one question: what controls the ratio of change per voice? I.e., I can hear, for example, the pitches change proportionately per voice; as well as speed of lfo etc. But what is the determining factor for the rate of "change" (for want of a better term) between each voice? Thanks in advance, it's all much clearer now. Tom.

Hi Tom,

The voice signal sends a different signal to each voice, offset by a constant amount. It's like a voice index, represented as a constant signal. Then those values are multiplied by the scale dials at the inputs. You know there's a manual that covers this stuff, right? ;-) Just sayin'.

Ahhhh OK guys, NOW I get it! Thanks so much for your patience, randy and garf. I just had to wrap my head around this whole concept, and read the manual a few more times! The more I experiment, the more I can see the power of this amazing synth! Thanks again and CHEERS from NY! Tom Bitondo

No worries Tom. Glad things are clicking!